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individual with serious mental health issue. Has been ill for past 15 years.
He receives $1588.00 per less 158.00 for utilities arrears which the government of alberta
is taking off his cheque for past Income support payments when he could not afford to
pay for electricity, and heating. His rent is $890.00 per month so his net income is $540.00 dollars per month
for groceries, utilities, hygience products and a haircult.
They are treated worse than the illegal refugees. What the hell is the matter with our
politicians allowing this to happen. They only contribute to further deterioration of the
most vulnerable people, and should be ashamed of themselves. Disgusting.

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per month for groceries, utilities, and phone. He cannot live off this,is totally inadequate and
cause severe stress, and his mental health has deteroriated from this.
It is disgraceful how these people who are mentally ill or physical disabled get treated.
They live in poverty, and the laws have to be changed immediately. These people are treated
much worse then illegal refugees. Where are your head these days, stupid politicians.

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  1. Jack says:

    Many people do not have their own places to stay, and have to share rental units. Roomate up.

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  2. Has this person applied for subsidized housing?

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  3. When 75% of a person’s AISH income is spent on rent there is a problem. My rent was increased to 1104 and that is low income housing. Provincial gov’t need to increase AISH benefits and our municipal gov’t needs to make housing affordable for low income citizens.

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    • Lisa Lutz Lisa Lutz says:

      Which agency subsidizes you? Rent should only be 33% of your income.

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    • Haha..i live in Spruce Grove. Each city or municipality is diffrent.

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    • Low income rent in spruce grove is considered 20% below average rent in the city of Spruce Grove.

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    • Capital Regional Housing is such a joke.. I was on a waiting list for over 3 years and then removed for no apparent reason. Contacting anyone at CRH is seriously like pulling teeth. Super frustrating too the point you do not bother.

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    • 33% of 1588 is just over 524.00 per month. Buddy is paying 890 which is roughly 56% of his income.

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    • Nicole Maher Nicole Maher says:

      Lisa Lutz you go find quality housing for $524. Not possible unless you live in the slums or as a roommate in someone else’s house. Now find quality housing with 1 Kid for under $554(30% of the extra hundred you get for a child) or under $600 with 2 Kids!! You have to live in shits-ville.

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    • Lisa Lutz Lisa Lutz says:

      Shanon Brausen you have to initiate contact with them annually if you’re on the waiting list, and update your circumstances regularly.

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    • Um I did…filled out the appropriate paper work they sent me year after year and then they sent me paperwork saying was removed without explanation. So I started calling and never seemed to get anyone on the line.
      Please don’t take me for someone who doesn’t know what they are talking about.

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    • I feel most of the time when I’m trying to advocate for myself or others I am viewed as mentally incompetent. I have a physical disability and am educated. I fully understand the system because I have been dealing with the system for over 10 years.

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  4. Lisa Lutz Lisa Lutz says:

    He should apply for the Capital Region Housing subsidy, to help ease the expense of his rent.

    There is also supportive housing available through Canadian Mental Health.

    My hope is that he is receiving help from qualified professionals for his mental health.

    He can declare hardship with AISH and ask to have his repayment amount reduced to $5 per month.

    There are also Collective Kitchens, Food Co-Ops, and other options to ensure better nutrition on a budget.

    Take care.

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    • Lisa Lutz Lisa Lutz says:

      Nicole Maher I used to work at AISH. I don’t know all of your individual circumstances, nor do I know your disability. I understand that some of the resources may or may not fit your needs; but I provided information for anyone else who may benefit. Are you able to work part time? You have literary strengths! Perhaps you can get a job from home, working online? You can earn some pretty decent cash before there are deductions made on your monthly benefits. Do you have children? Do you need help budgeting?

      You do sound very frustrated. Maybe you can speak with one of your support people to brainstorm.

      Talk to your MLA.

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    • Nicole Maher Nicole Maher says:

      Where are these collective kitchens and food co-ops? Where’s the help if you own your home? You can only get housing subsidy if you rent a city owned property. They’ve taken everything else from the disabled, now you’re going to say they should sell their house right? Cause that would sure help. Disabled people on disability can’t own anything. If you do, they don’t help you. Make them live in poverty and sell their homes and live in community housing that is usually infested with pests, drug dealers and 75-200 kids running wild with no parents around. Very nice. -oh you’ve become disabled, now you will sell everything and live in poverty forever. If you do happen to get a head a bit (someone gives you money, someone dies, get a small job) and a worker finds out, they’ll make sure your file is changed so you get less money next month. It’s crap. Meant to keep the disabled down in the gutter with the parts of society who don’t want jobs and who sit on government assistance by choice. Disabled aren’t there by choice, but by circumstances beyond their control usually.

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    • Nicole Maher Nicole Maher says:

      Bernadine Wapasuce going to the food bank is not a huge help. They only help with a weeks worth of food, high ratio of food you receive is past it’s due date, not very good with allergies, can’t get certain items you may need for a recipe and a person Can only access it a certain number of times per year. Collective kitchens look like you need to bring certain foods with you, and tell you to access the food bank. Let’s get real. Food bank you get bread, peanut butter, fruits and veggies (maybe), expired yogurt, pasta and sauce and Mac and cheese as staples usually. Which of those items am I taking to a collective kitchen? No, I have to have money to go grocery shopping. If I’ve paid for my shelter in full this month including utilities I will not be able to afford groceries. If I leave my utilities unpaid, I buy groceries, but my utilities get cut off. I understand that if someone is on assistance and able bodied and able to work giving them just enough to get by for a short period of time, you just make it work. But we are talking about long term disability and every month having to decide what gets paid and what gets left out. Not for a short time that you can live without things for a little while but for the rest of your life, not having enough to make ends meet each month. People on disability are treated like second class citizens who don’t “deserve” a quality of life that everyone else gets. Why? Cause they can’t do much about it and no one cares. “Just go to the food bank”. Ya, I’d like to see you live off the food bank for 6 months. Than let me know how you’re feeling eating bread and pasta and Mac n cheese for nearly every meal. For years and years with no end in sight. Sounds great eh?

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    • He would never get it because capital region is full and being used for other purposes.

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    • Lisa Lutz Lisa Lutz says:

      Sherry Goguen perhaps he can qualify for the housing “subsidy” – NOT their actual housing – for which I help clients obtain regularly.

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    • Lisa Lutz Lisa Lutz says:

      Sheena Jackson that isn’t fair. I have family members on AISH.

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    • Nicole Maher Nicole Maher says:

      oh totally fair Sheena! I’m not frustrated Lisa Lutz. I’m beat down by a system designed to keep me in poverty for the rest of my life, because I became disabled. Than people like you come along and think you have answers when you really don’t. Just more government talk from people who know nothing of what it’s like to be doing well, own a home and a car, have some savings, than bam, become disabled, everything gets harder, financially everything you had is gone, you can’t make ends meet, you have to beg for anything extra you need (like medications that aren’t covered), and go to food banks on a regular basis. To not remember what it’s like to go get groceries when you need them. For your kids to never have any new clothes or to go to their school and explain you can’t afford school supplies, or a field tri that’s coming up. To hear your child start to say “I can’t, cause we can’t afford it” when they get invited to go somewhere fun. To know that this is it. Your life will never get any better than it is now. And right now, you live below the poverty level and it sucks. There’s never anything left over at the end of the month. He’ll most people on disability are out of money before the 5th of the month. Having to live on handouts and such for the rest of the month. Great system. Rich stay rich, the disabled become poverty stricken with no hope of it ever getting better. Thanks for those ‘great resources’,they’re all meant to be occasional resources, not an ongoing monthly accessed program. People on disability should have to run around each month trying to prove they need help. And we do have to prove it. “Oh you’ve got $10 in cash in your wallet, and nothing in the bank? You don’t need our help. Come back after you’ve used up that last $10. Than we might be able to help you in a week or so. But I can’t put you in the list until you’re destitute. It’s such an uplifting experience. No? I’m sure you totally get it cause you’ve worked in AISH. Lol. Let me know after you limit your income to that of aish for a few months and we’ll see how great you’re feeling going to dr appointments and treatment programs like chiropractic and physio and in between waiting in long lines to beg for help that you probably won’t get cause you accessed it last month, and the month before. They’ll actually say to you “you’ve accessed our help too often we can’t help you this month”. That makes a person feel wonderfully depressed…. until you’ve walked a few miles in the shoes of a disabled person on aish stop throwing programs at it. Instead of putting money into these programs, increase the aish allowance so it’s a livable amount.

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    • Lisa Lutz Lisa Lutz says:

      Sheena Jackson

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  5. About your refugee comment..i doubt it and they aren’t receiving funds indefinitely. While I’m compassionate about this issue I don’t think lacking empathy for another group in need is cool. Imagine if you were a disabled person in the country they came from? The system may not be perfect but at least we live in a country that tries to look out for the less fortunate.

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  6. Leona Aquin Leona Aquin says:

    could you pm me pls

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  7. not only treated worse than refugees, but used mercilessly for that money by parasites who see them as easy targets. I know, my daughter is on AISH and the parasites aren’t just men wanting a piece, they are women who would steal everything they can. And so long as there is a mental illness component that compounds the issue, the handicapped think that you are trying to boss them when you are looking to help them figure out how to safely live off their pittance.

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    • Lisa Lutz Lisa Lutz says:

      Vulnerable Albertans need strong advocates. The AISH allowance is one of the highest in the country for disabled citizens…if not the most generous.

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    • Would you consider a family of three sharing a place with a girl who pays rent to be even at 50/50 on everything? Had her own bedroom/ensuite, but not allowed to spend her money the way she wanted after the bills were paid. Thousands paid to cover utility bills not paid even when she contributed the cash. Her room was her space, not the rest of the house.

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  8. Try BC where it was just RAISED to about $1000 per month. With the housing crisis in many of the cities rents are taking up nearly 100% of their income.

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  9. Little bit different in my case. My mom is in long term care and the cost of that is more than she receives per month from her pension and old age security. She worked hard her entire life and now there isn’t even enough left over to get her a haircut or a tv in her room. Our seniors are treated like garbage too.

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  10. Hayley Brown Hayley Brown says:

    It’s as bad here in BC too.

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  11. Hayley Brown Hayley Brown says:

    Alberta is higher than BC…

    BC has one of the highest costs of living and lowest disability assistance.

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  12. Hayley Brown Hayley Brown says:

    Alberta is higher than BC…

    BC has one of the highest costs of living and lowest disability assistance.

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  13. Maybe there should be rent regulations after the condo fiasco that created the rental crisis that drove up rental prices through out the city.

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  14. If you only knw my story

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  15. Nicole Maher Nicole Maher says:

    If only there was something to be done about it. It won’t change as long as it doesn’t affect the middle and upper classes.

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  16. Nicole Maher Nicole Maher says:

    Rochelle Hurdle-Jolly that was a response to another comment above me.

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  17. Refugees don’t get as much as you seem to think. But hey…keep believing every fucking meme you see on Facebook

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    • I was under the impression that refugees also have to pay back what ever they are given? O could be wrong though

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    • Refugees are issued a sum – for up to one year – to help start their life (such as a DD and first months rent, groceries) but are required to pay back costs (with interest) to the Canadian Government

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  18. Here s the problem, while I fully agree that AISH should be enough to live comfortably, as soon as it is raised to that level, they will be flooded with scammers. Hopefully there is a system in place to avoid this potential problem. Everyone deserves a chance at a decent life

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  19. If you go to Capital Region Housing, you don’t have to rent a unit from these properties. They have a rent supplement program. You fill out the forms and they asses your income, rent etc and you can be given up to $500/mth for rent if you’re approved.

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  20. Lisa Lutz Lisa Lutz says:

    If getting help is a challenge, please contact your MLA for support & assistance. Best of luck!

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  21. Lisa Lutz Lisa Lutz says:

    Hayley Brown , true. AISH is a program unique to Alberta.

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  22. Aish is inadequate try living on the pittance Alberta works provided $600 per month for a single person
    Or the $900 they provide for someone with medical problems

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  23. Welcome to the real world. Times are tough. Most people are barely getting by these days and are getting deep into dept. It sucks but that’s what we’re left to deal with in this Era.

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  24. Rent is obscene. Your buddy pays more for rent than I do for my mortgage! I wish we could have better rent control… like relating the rent to the property taxes and not allowing over a certain amount as related to that.

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  25. Well if you can’t afford to have a child then don’t have one. It’s that simple. Also people who make minimum wage and live on their own cannot afford going on vacation and really hard to save, and have to make sacrifices on what they can buy mpnthly as well. I’ve seen some people on aish that can work, but don’t. Wanna get mad at Someone, get mad at people abusing the system that way not some refugee that has to pay back what they are given. And I would like to know where you get your numbers from. Because being “pretty sure” they receive more is totally a valid argument for your case. Hope you caught onto the sarcasm on that last part. If anything you just disputed any part of what you said with that last bit, it’s like you have no idea what you’re talking about.

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  26. Tamara Marie Tamara Marie says:

    1 bedroom apartments are going for 6-800.

    I am able to provide for and feed a child and myself off of 400 a month.

    If you can offer help with budgeting and couponing and finding deals for him

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    • Tamara Marie Tamara Marie says:

      Sorry I should rephrase.
      725 for rent and 400 for food is more then enough for us. Apartments usually have utilities included.

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    • Sue Cameron Sue Cameron says:

      There are a lot of people who work full time for minimum wages that don’t earn that kind of money, and if two people on Aish share an apartment, they have over $3000.00 a month to pay bills and live.

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  27. Archie Kozak Archie Kozak says:

    Do a check on how much seniors get for pension and they get no increases to keep up with inflation. To all utility companies as well who give no discounts to anybody irrespective of income or situation and yet boast how much their employees volunteer. Shame on all of them including the government.

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  28. That’s what happens when people think government solves things.

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  29. Please don’t spread lies about refugees just because you’re having tough times.

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    • Right? I’ve experienced first hand the struggles vulnerable Albertans are going through seeing loved ones try to survive off pension or AISH. It’s horrible. But never have I once cursed those ‘fat cat’ refugees who must live in mansions with gold plated cars. I wish I was so lucky to come from a war torn country, it’s the dream life – apparently.

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  30. Lisa Lutz Lisa Lutz says:

    Change can only come if you contact you MLA, and get out there to vote.

    You have to inform political leaders about your case.

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  31. He is lucky to get that much. What is his secrete??

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  32. Jason Ellard Jason Ellard says:

    Please!! What? Are you crazy?? Why should we support the mentally ill? There is no money to do that because the politicians voted themselves a raise!!

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  33. Nicole Maher Nicole Maher says:

    Jackie Daniels actually it sounds like you don’t know what you’re talking about. If I can’t afford Kids I shouldn’t have one….ok. So I had Kids when I had a good paying job and career, than became disabled, should I send the kids back at that point??? Stupid twat. I was not living on minimum wage, but had a really good income before becoming disabled. I have several degrees. Now I have to live on less than minimum wage because I became disabled. How is that fair? I’m not some lazy ass who doesn’t want to work asking for a hand out. I’m disabled. Unfortunately that means you live in poverty no matter what your life was like before becoming disabled, unless you have a spouse to take care of things. Maybe you should check and see if you’re talking out your ass before you open your mouth. So stupid.

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  34. There are people who cannot even get that shitty bit of income. The system sucks for sure but where is all this $$ to pay out these benefits supposed to come from? Every one bitches about taxes – where do you think the $$ to pay Aish & disability & to run programs comes from? There is no magical bank account to pay from. Every dollar is taken from a hard working Canadian. Are people saying that the able bodied should have to work even more hours & pay more taxes than they already do?
    I became sick & had to have 3 major operations in 1 year. I lost my job over it (slow economy so they could get away with it by saying they had no more work & hired someone else) no one wanted to hire me & I didn’t qualify for ANY BENEFITS. I am BRCA 2 & it is legal for employers & benefit companies to discriminate against me in Canada. I sold everything that I own including my clothes & car so that I could make it.
    Benefits would be nice, support of any kind really but that is not how things work. There is no magic bank account & every $ being given to me would have to be taken from someone else. What makes me more entitled to that $$ than the person who actually performed the labour to earn it?

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  35. Gets way more than a family of 5 I know, so jut be grateful

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  36. Awwhe is someone butthurt about my comment? I don’t know you personally and every situation is different. Like I said before, I know people thay abuse the system, get mad at those people not people who have to pay back what they’re given. I would still like to know where you got your information on numbers from, remember not everything you read on fb is true. There are people that work fulltime and more at minimum wage and still live in poverty, How fair is that? Resorting to name calling when someone doesn’t agree with you only shows your intelligence and maturity level. I hope your “raising” your kids to be better than that, otherwise, I fear you’ll only be contributing to the hate in the world; we have enough of thay

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  37. Sarah Taylor Sarah Taylor says:

    Jackie, my son was two when his dad became disabled, and unable to work. It took him four years, months of hospital stays to prove that he was elegible for AISH. He has worked since he was thirteen, and has always supported his family the best way he could. So now that he is unable to work, I stepped up and went back to school and now I am blessed to work for AHS in a crazy busy ER! Trust me when I say we are far from abusing the system. Wanna know how much we as a family of three from AISH each month, $0!!! I make too much money according to AISH. I have to be able to support my family every month with strict budgeting, I have a great job and yet we never get ahead. I work my self crazy sometimes with being a full-time working mom and having to look after someone with a disability. Why is it that it feels like we are being punished for something totatlly out of our hands. Don’t get me wrong I’m gratefully that our meds are covered and we get the free buss pass.. But in all reality it’s a hard life. Being disabled shouldn’t mean you live less than the poverty line.

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  38. Aish is only in Alberta

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  39. Rye Weskey Rye Weskey says:

    Why wouldn’t someone complain to say provincial or federal government? Complaining about things that matter on facebook means the issue goes unnoticed by the feds.

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  40. ODSP is only in ON. Does that mean that they’re the only ones with benefits for persons with disabilities?
    Don’t get hung up on the wording or acronym. It’s all the same idea.

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  41. In my opinion, there is not nearly enough policing of the system. I know of completely able bodied people living on welfare, spending their cheques on entertainment for themselves rather than their children and lying on their forms. Instead of all that money being spent on the people who really need it, much is given to the societal leeches. I’m not sure what the answer is but I definitely know that many people are not receiving what they need and deserve while those who deserve nothing continue to collect.

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  42. Many senior live on less

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  43. Government does not fully care to distribute the public’s money in accordance to needs. But accordance to made up statics based on false numbers made by young university students with no life experience

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  44. Yes, many seniors live worse and I agree with you..this is crap! Look at what we have to look forward too in our old age you rip off politicians.

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  45. Its truly an outrage. Our politicians are corrupt and living above their means. People are victim’s of greed. Our elected officials need to live a year on what our most needy are forced to live on. Disgusting.

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